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Kit genes lethality
  • Does anyone know what exact combo I should be avoiding when breeding horses with KIT? I've lost 3 foals unfortunately and I'm trying to understand what exact combo causes it.

    Sire has R/W1
    Dames whose foals didn't survive all came from Rank 2: Heterozygous White 2 herd helper and have:
    1. R/W2
    2. W20/W2
    3. -/W2  

    Did it happen because foals would have had W1/W2? Or due to some other reason?
  • Can you post the sire and one of the mares as an example? I had thought it was the overo/frame gene that caused the issue. But could be mistaken.
  • The description on Gene modification page says this:

    Kit is one gene (really a gene loci) that controls many different patterns. R addes roan to a horse. TO adds tobiano. All W alleles add white spotting phenotypes. Some white spotting alleles can produce lethal foals, add with caution. M is based on the manchado horse phenotype. SB1 and SB2 are based on sabino. All Kit mutations except roan count as a pinto gene.

    Sire - White Wedding RS

    image
    FE E10 G1 FireComfortable


    One of the mares:

    image
    FE E10 G1 FireDenim

  • I had not looked at the in game notes yet. You’re right about the Kit genes. It looks like 50% of the time the stud would provide a W1 to off spring and 50% of the time the mare would provide a W2. Both of these present together would be lethal (W1/W2). So Punnet square method would say 25% of the foals created would be lethal.

    Only a select few W/W combos aren’t lethal. W15/W15 is viable as is homozygous W20 and W15/W20. There may be more. I scrolled through my pinto horses to see what combos I had.

    Here’s a good article the gives an overview (on real horse genetics): https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10854722/
    And a quote from the article: Dominant White alleles result in more extensive white markings and are likely lethal in the homozygous state [25]. W1–W14, W16–W18, W21–28, W30, W31, and W33 have not been observed in the homozygous state, and are predicted to be homozygous lethal.
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  • I don’t breed for any of the potentially lethal genes so I’m not a master at this but here’s a sheet shared by someone else and I’ll also link a post!

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HKUJgwuzbKilAgePgMfMewYd8kU3BKWbe8OcX5QNy_Q/htmlview#gid=0
    ID# 1180
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  • Thank you guys, will have to dive into that

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