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PT & Breeding Quality question
  • Hi! In the last few months I’ve certainly learned a ton of things the hard way… so here’s my question!

    Can a horse be the Top Breeding Quality for their generation and have a really poor PT?

    Can these horses pass on a better or even perfect PT?

    What does this mean for exceptional producer HH vs Exceptionally perfect?
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  • The description for Exceptional producers says: "These horses will be exceptionally good parents compared to other foundations. They will have greater than 100% breeding ability."

    The description for Exceptionally Perfect says "Not just perfect, but exceptionally perfect. These horses can train higher and produce better offspring than normal creates. They will have greater than 100% breeding ability and greater than 100% training ability. They also will have perfect consistency."

    I understand it as exceptional producers have more than 100% breeding ability just like Exceptionally Perfect horses, but may have lower training and showing stats.

    There's also Exceptional Show horses HH, I understand it as Yellow/C grade horses with 10.1 PT score, although by the same logic it doesn't explain why Exceptionally Perfect horses don't have 10.5 PT score instead of 10.4.

    This Exceptional Producer already leveled off:
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    IIRC I sold it exactly because of that.

    Also sharing this thread for more info: https://mesa.horsegeneticsgame.com/forum/index.php?p=/discussion/10298/exceptional-producers-question#Item_6

    As for the lined horses I think it would be the same as with foundational, except you don't know for sure, but you can compare the foal to its parents and siblings. But then breeding boost also complicates things because if you have a perfect and boosted parent, it will always test better than its foals, although I understand that if your foal passes SBA and has a boosted parent of the same sex, it means it's just as good as the parent before the boost.

    From the FAQ:
    SBA and *** parent Strict breeding advice will always pass a cap quality horse. *** horses can never produce a foal that passes breeding advice except for those cap quality foals. So if a horse passes strict breeding advice, and has a *** star/gold parent they are guaranteed to be at cap quality.
    https://mesa.horsegeneticsgame.com/faq.php#1029

    Please take this with the grain of salt because I'm still very new :D
  • Can a horse be the Top Breeding Quality for their generation and have a really poor PT? Can these horses pass on a better or even perfect PT?

    Yes to both. Producing ability and performance ability are unrelated. They may increase together every generation, but seeing that number does not mean anything. A low PT does not mean they are not a good producer, and a high PT does not mean they are a good producer, either.

    What does this mean for exceptional producer HH vs Exceptionally perfect?

    An exceptional producer will have the highest breeding ability for that generation, plus 5%. They will be Red/B, which is a perfect foundation if you add a 5% boost, and their PT can vary. They will be great breeders, and their showing ability will vary. Exceptionally perfect is an exceptional producer with a 10.4 PT, always. They will be great breeders AND showers.
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  • From FireElement:
    "As for the lined horses I think it would be the same as with foundational, except you don't know for sure, but you can compare the foal to its parents and siblings. But then breeding boost also complicates things because if you have a perfect and boosted parent, it will always test better than its foals, although I understand that if your foal passes SBA and has a boosted parent of the same sex, it means it's just as good as the parent before the boost."

    Can you expand on this? I am learning new things everyday. Does this mean a boosted stallion will never produce a foal that is superior to sire or is it just more rare?
  • @HartsSensation12418
    that's what I understood from reading the FAQ/Cap Breeding Ability. Specifically this paragraph:

    SBA and *** parent Strict breeding advice will always pass a cap quality horse. *** horses can never produce a foal that passes breeding advice except for those cap quality foals. So if a horse passes strict breeding advice, and has a *** star/gold parent they are guaranteed to be at cap quality.


    I read it as: a horse can only have 100% breeding ability max when unboosted. If you boost your horse, ***Star/***Gold and has 105% breeding ability. If you get a foal from that horse and it passes SBA, it's guaranteed to have 100% breeding ability, but will test worse than the parent because 105% > 100%.

    Please someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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