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I agree with you I feel like the top guys are all similar at this point- especially for Era 0.

I personally really love Chocolate and Liver chestnuts- I don’t think any of the top studs available are chocolate palominos. I love snowflake appy and my lines are based around it. I have a double boosted SF stud but he’s very inbred and I’d like to reduce on that some.

My era 9 lines are just reaching **Star. 0% inbreeding and some new genetics so I’m very excited to keep producing that line but it’s getting hard without other outside horses to cross in.
I am also working on bringing Merle & Hq up with this line but only at 4th gen right now with those.

I am waiting until I have something unique to make another double boosted Stud.

I'm all over the place with what I like. :)) Love bold contrasts dark base and Kit M with KP and my Dun factor thrown in at times. I sway from appaloosa for main lines cause it washes out color eventually and high risk kit genes when homozygous or thrown with others. I've lost quite a few just slapping together random embryos for show stock to too much white.

I don't mind anyone using my stallions, especially if they are trying to bring in new blood. I just forget to check straws or repost them for breeding most days. Oop.

ETA:
I see alot of the same studs showing up in the horses available today. My thought on why we see alot of the colors you see available/dominating boards. Futurity breeding is to get the best showers so alot of us (me) bred back to the same sire a few seasons later or a son of that sire so genes were limited.

My goal as been to get any of my later stock to ***/****, but I have too many projects or "ooo shiny" moments to focus.

I agree with you on the all white. I don’t mind Subtle sabino but I’ve sold/altered everything ive bred that’s all white. I also recently decided I don’t like leopard Appys unless they have giant spots.

This is the look of my upcoming line. Currently era 9 gen6 with ** papers… if I get a foal I really like this season I may double boost them to have a newer Era top stud!



https://mesa.horsegeneticsgame.com/horse.php?horseid=4024996

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This post reminded me to check lines.
Waiting for this one to grow up now. :D

I am all over the place. I suppose I like patterned horses the most, especially Kit M, similar to @AquariusRanch stud example, so I have been breeding a lot of these, but overall I really enjoy experimenting and discovering what combo I can get from the parents :)) I also try to breed high PT horses to build my show herd, so I'm not that picky about the colors for these horses, I just look at the papers and try to avoid deadly combos.

I added chocolate to my Kit-M horses and I also want to add chinchilla or platinum to them because I really like how it works with chocolate gene. Unfortunately no boosted plt of chn studs are available right now, so I plan to breed some myself. I also like dark shiny satin horses, including appaloosas with large spots or snow appaloosas, but I wish there were studs with less fancy genes, because foals are very expensive to clone. I also like fantasy genes, like Nacre and Onyx, which I'm currently working on :) Honorable mention of Merle + Onyx combos I absolutely love.

I currently have 2 3*Star stallions available for breeding and some 4*Stars coming of age next year, but not sure people are interested in them or I should make them mares instead (maybe I could get a feedback from you guys?).

I generally don't like all-white horses with some exceptions.

For Era 9 I have bred a lot of horses and I got some very nice striped horses (powder white brindle), I think it would be nice to have boosted stallions that can produce foals like that, but they too are very expensive to clone.

@Arayla, I have gotten chocolate palomino foals crossing your chocolate palomino mare https://mesa.horsegeneticsgame.com/horse.php?horseid=3985746 to my boosted studs. I also have some not-boosted cap breeding ability (passed SBA with boosted parent) chocolate palomino stallions, I could send you some straws if you'd like?

Hopping back on this thread, lol, I made a connection about the popularity of a gene.

Genetics that require licenses aren’t as popular because they have a smaller selection of people to work with, whereas a Brown stud is going to be more popular since anyone can breed to the genes. (If you get what I’m trying to say)

Basically, if I remember correct, there was once a super nice stud available that had DFP2, and he had a major impact on people to the point where there was a splurge in DFP2 licenses bought to breed to that specific horse.

Now the question is, would creating a “fantasy” stud be worth it to eventually have more players purchase licenses to breed to specific, “better” horses, and grow the smaller boards?

We then see those genetics that aren’t very common and are helping areas that need it, but, the problem then occurs there’s no lines that go that high up in breeding quality (since GMTing a double boosted line is costly, and since there are no double boosted fantasy studs as good as “normal” double boosted boys)

It’s a project that probably won’t ever take off without the constant support of outside studs - something Arayla said about keeping her 0% inbred line - I don’t have a line of my own like that but almost every player I know that’s doing a line similar all are struggling as new player immediately dive into horses with super high inbreeding (which are those “better” studs)

This is kinda a complicated circle lolz

Also, who else is breeding Merle? I have started into it and made it to A papers.
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This is my highest so far I believe.

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@FireElement I should probably speak normal terms and not my 6 AM brain

I always classify studs under 3 terms: “better,” “good” or “bad”.
In other words, “better” are those studs whose lines are packed with double boosted horses. So it’s a double boosted mare and stud, who produce a foal who is double boosted, the foal breeds to another double boosted horse and so on.

Where as, in fantasy breeding you have to breed in the fantasy genes to a powerhouse line like I mentioned, or completely start from scratch (which will not only take a long time but you would be behind the powerhouse lines because they have been building up since the beginning of time, exaggerating a bit). Meaning it probably never reach to the full extent of the double boosted line.

This is simply my understanding, I’m not really into the numbers of max breeding quality and if it even is possible to continuously increase in breeding ability as more clones are added to a horse’s pedigree, this is just how my brain comprehends all the complexities when breeding :)

@AmberHaven300
it doesn't really matter how many double boosted horses were in the line before the foal was born. I imagine this as reaching 100% cap of breeding ability, which can only be increased by using breeding boosts after that. If we're talking breeding to boosted horses, it gets even easier, because if your foal can pass SBA and has at least one boosted parent, it means that it's cap breeding ability.

From the FAQ:

What is cap? The breeding ability cap is the maximum breeding ability any horse can be born with in the game. No matter how good the parents of a horse are, they will never produce a foal that is better than the breeding cap. Boosting can not be used to "make a horse cap ability."
SBA and *** or **** parent Strict breeding advice will always pass a cap quality horse. *** and **** horses can never produce a foal that passes breeding advice except for those cap quality foals. So if a horse passes strict breeding advice, and has a ***+ star/gold parent they are guaranteed to be at cap quality.

As we can see double boosted parents do not produce double boosted foals, they will have the same 100% breeding ability as any other cap breeding ability foal. They can differ in terms of PT score, but they will be cap, same as their double boosted sire or dam before the boost. They will turn into ***Star horses if you boost them once.

So we have several possibilities to get a cap breeding ability horse:
1. By breeding from foundation horses, 7th generation is the earliest you can get a cap horse, but it's not guaranteed: https://mesa.horsegeneticsgame.com/faq.php#1036

2. By breeding your unboosted **Star/Gold horse to a boosted or double boosted horse, if the foal passes SBA - it's cap ability.

3. By bootstrapping lower grade of horse to boosted (preferably double boosted) horse. There's a chance the horse won't pass SBA though, but it will probably pass in the next generation. I don't understand this mechanism completely, but I suppose that the number of generations of the foal will also matter in this case?

From my experience you can take a 4th gen *Gold mare and breed her to ****Star stallion and some (all?) foals will be cap breeding ability (using embryo transfer here). For example this filly has passed SBA even though her dam was only a *Star mare 4th gen and she herself is a very low PT:
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She is just as good as any foal of double boosted parents breeding ability wise. But if she was a stud for public breeding I suppose people would avoid breeding to her because she has low PT score, even though PT number doesn't matter for breeding, only papers do.

If I wanted to add new genetics to top horses, I would take the highest possible genetic material with the genes I want and breed it to the highest available horse, doesn't matter a mare or a stallion. So basically bootstrapping, and it would be much quicker than breeding all 7 generations from 0.